UNWRA Head Philippe Lazzarini on the Company’s Future in Gaza

For 75 years, the United Nations company generally known as UNRWA has been the spine of well being and training for Palestinians with refugee standing, a inhabitants that now totals 6 million folks, together with about 1.4 million in Gaza. Prior to now, each time preventing broke out, the group would additionally serve any civilian in search of shelter within the enclave’s 300 major faculties—protected by the blue flag of the United Nations.

That standing remained the norm for the primary months of the cataclysmic present conflict. Then, in January, Israel charged {that a} dozen workers of UNRWA, which stands for United Nations Reduction Works Company for Palestinian Refugees within the Close to East, had participated within the atrocities of Oct. 7. The allegation had the impact of instantly associating the company, lengthy criticized by Israel for its assist of Palestinian political aspirations, with a terrorist entity. In response, greater than 16 nations paused contributions; the U.S., previously the company’s largest donor, continues to carry again funding. In October, Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, handed a pair of payments barring cooperation with UNRWA, which distributes a lot of the humanitarian help that will get to Gazans.

If carried out, the legal guidelines will additional impede efforts to carry meals and different help to the two million civilians trapped in Gaza, the place the specter of famine is rising. Long term, the legislation goals to undo a U.N. equipment that Israel has thought to be problematic ever because it was established to offer for the wants of the 700,000 Palestinian refugees who had been pushed off the land that turned Israel. Beneath U.N. treaties, refugees stay refugees till they’ll return to their nation of origin—a pardox that lies on the coronary heart of the Palestinians’ battle with Israel.

“The Israelis received a state. The Palestinians received UNRWA,” says Philippe Lazzarini—a two-decade worker of the U.N. who in 2020 was named the fifteenth, and now presumably the final, chief of an company that has expanded with the inhabitants it serves. The group’s mandate additionally covers refugees’ descendants who now dwell in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the Gaza Strip, and the Israeli-occupied West Financial institution.

Lazzarini, whose humanitarian profession additionally features a prolonged stint on the Purple Cross and whose UNRWA workplace is in East Jerusalem, says he has been barred from coming into Israel since June. He spoke with TIME on Nov. 12 in New York Metropolis. The interview has been edited for size and readability.

TIME: Your company employs 32,000 folks. Most are Palestinian. How does UNRWA vet its workers?

LAZZARINI: Mainly, precisely the identical as some other U.N. company. Your training certificates. You need to include a clear felony file. We will even do a verify with the database of different U.N. businesses and have a look at your employment file. On a yearly foundation, we’re submitting the record of our employees to the host nation, together with to the State of Israel. For the reason that so-called Catherine Colonna report [a neutrality review ordered by the U.N. in the wake of Israel’s allegations] we’re submitting the record on a quarterly foundation. We additionally be sure that any of our workers are totally in line and appropriate with any doable sanction record. And likewise by the banking system; we all know that the monetary system is kind of waterproof.

Would you’ll want to declare that you just’re not a member of any armed group?

That is an excellent query. You do not have to declare that you’re not a member of a company. You need to declare that you should have no public political actions. I can’t power you to have a perception, to not imagine, and so forth. However you can not have a public stand or public exercise, together with on social media. We clearly element the distinction between your freedom of ideas and the anticipated conduct for you as a civic servant.

On Sept. 30, an Israeli airstrike in Tyre, Lebanon, killed Fateh Sherif, and his household; Israel known as him the pinnacle of Hamas in Lebanon. He was additionally a principal of an UNWRA college.

The well-known Fateh Sherif. In March, it got here to my consideration that he is likely to be a member of Hamas. On the exact same day, I took the choice to droop the individual, to place him underneath investigation—suspension with out pay, clearly—with the target that, if true, he could be dismissed. [The internal investigation was still ongoing at the time of the strike.] It triggered some response from the group, and so they put stress on the company. They prevented the employees from attending to headquarters in Beirut and to 1 or two facilities we had in [refugee] camps. I went to Lebanon, and met all of the political factions and the Lebanese authorities, and I advised them that I can’t tolerate any stress of any type—that now we have a suspicion, we’ll examine, and when you proceed, I am very happy handy over the keys to the political faction. The stress stopped.

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Israel is just not stopping, although. The Knesset invoice would put you out of enterprise in Gaza and the West Financial institution, wouldn’t it?

Aiming at dismantling an company like UNWRA has nothing to do with points associated to neutrality. It is all about aiming at stripping the Palestinian from the refugee standing, weakening the aspiration of the Palestinian to self-determination, and subsequently additionally weakening the thought of a two-state resolution. Initially of the conflict, once you had this equation of “Hamas equals Gaza” that paved the way in which for all of the dehumanization and making the insufferable bearable. Now you equate Hamas to Gaza to UNRWA—do away with all three. The assaults on UNRWA aren’t simply assaults on the company. These are assaults on anybody who’s selling respect for worldwide humanitarian legislation, on anybody selling the concept we live in a rule-based world.

How so?

When the conflict turned additionally right into a conflict of propaganda or a conflict of narratives, it is handy to not have worldwide journalists on the bottom. And [Israel] additionally tried to silence the outspoken voices of what stays from the U.N. I personally haven’t been allowed to return to Gaza since January. I am not allowed to go to Jerusalem since June. However the company conveyed the struggling and the plight of the Palestinian folks, and quite a bit had been used later for submission to the Worldwide Legal Courtroom [which on Nov. 21 issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and then Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, as well as for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif]. That’s why I warn that past the assault on UNRWA—that goals to unilaterally change the political energy parameters within the context of Israel and Palestine—these are additionally assaults towards the United Nations system and the broader rule-based order, the multilateral system now we have inherited after World Conflict II. If we don’t push again, eventually this may develop into the brand new norm. We’ve got greater than 50 conflicts occurring internationally. Not performing right here will definitely encourage others to use the identical recipe.

Displaced Palestinians Shelter at United Nations Camp in Southern Gaza
A United Nations flag flies at a camp, operated by the United Nations Reduction and Works Company (UNRWA), for displaced Palestinians in western Khan Younis, Gaza, on Oct. 17, 2023. Ahmad Salem—Bloomberg through Getty Pictures

In previous Gaza wars, that rules-based system held quick. UNRWA was thought-about impartial floor, though it has all the time spoken out for Palestinians.

We’re right here to advocate for the rights of Palestinian refugees. We’re a voice. Have a look at the scenario in Gaza. Both you imagine the Palestinian narrative, otherwise you imagine the Israeli narrative. So if you’re a privileged witness of what’s going on, and also you see such blatant disregard of worldwide humanitarian legislation, you’ve gotten inform what is going on on. For those who do not, you enter right into a scenario the place folks resolve to imagine what they need to imagine.

What’s fascinating once you have a look at this battle is the extraordinary polarization. [On one side,] you’ve gotten a complete empathy or compassion for what occurred to Israel, and rightly so. Individuals are deeply, deeply traumatized. And this must be understood. However when you look solely by this lens, you justify the disproportionate response on Gaza and the human tragedy that we’re witnessing. Or [on the other side,] when you have a look at the human tragedy in Gaza, and also you primarily really feel for the Palestinian, you say the Israeli disproportionate response is horrible—“I can’t really feel what they felt, as a result of it can’t be justified.” There may be this mutual absence of empathy. It fuels this polarization. And it is a very harmful now, within the Arab world, within the Arab Avenue, or, much more broadly, within the World South.

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You’ve misplaced lots of people.

It is unprecedented within the historical past of the United Nations. Greater than 240 employees killed. It is unprecedented that greater than 200 premises could be broken or fully destroyed, and a whole lot of individuals died once they had been in search of the safety of the U.N. emblem. We had additionally convoys usually being prevented to maneuver, or being attacked regardless of deconfliction.

The political aspect of Hamas has been working Gaza since 2007. Haven’t they’d points with UNRWA as nicely?

They criticize our summer season camps. Our camps had been tremendous, tremendous in style. We introduced collectively women and boys for sport, music. And so they simply hated it. They had been additionally very sad with a current code of ethics that now we have distributed to the company, as a result of clearly a U.N. code of ethics promotes range and gender equality and so forth.

What are the sensible implications of the Knesset legal guidelines barring any Israeli contact with UNRWA?

There are legal guidelines which, years later, are nonetheless not carried out. In order that might be a chance. Do we actually need to throw the infant with the water? The areas the place we’re irreplaceable are training and well being. On the West Financial institution alone, now we have 17,000 employees, 50,000 pupils in our faculties, 400,000 folks on our well being care middle. We cease tomorrow, these individuals are out of faculties, and 400,000 folks won’t have entry to well being care.

In Gaza, nobody goes to highschool however half the individuals are underneath 18. They dwell within the rubble, deeply traumatized. If now we have a stop hearth tomorrow, precedence primary is to discover a solution to carry them again right into a studying setting. Israel doesn’t need the Palestinian Authority there. By legislation, Israel, because the occupying energy, has the accountability to offer training.

Is that this only a matter of UNWRA having a problematic fame?

If U.N. member states imagine that it’s a branding problem, nothing ought to stop them [from changing the name]. As lengthy the branding doesn’t weaken the long run proper of the Palestinian refugees, that may be an possibility.

But it surely’s false to imagine that if the availability of providers by UNWRA stops, there could be no refugees. The difficulty of a state, the standing of refugees, proper of return—all these political points won’t be addressed when you make UNRWA disappear.

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